This season we have been examining our relationship with the line. Following the marks we make through writing and weaving and tracing the lines that shape our landscape, from telegraph lines and washing lines to those made by walking, railways and rivers.

For this special episode, we delve into the subject further. Down the telephone line from Aberdeen, we hear Tim Ingold, academic and author of Lines: A Brief History. Tim takes us through his discoveries surrounding the line, suggesting that we are all interwoven and interconnected by drawing on archaeology, language, music and nature.

In a noisy London square, during early March, Laura Barton speaks to Max Porter, acclaimed author of Grief is the Thing with Feathers and Lanny. Max is known for his intermingling of prose and poetry, for his physical exploration of the line on the page.

Both speakers give an insight into their own relationship with the line, seeing it as an entry into how we might better live our lives.



TOAST Podcasts are presented by Laura Barton, produced by Geoff Bird and conceived by Emily Cameron.

If you would like to listen to more podcasts, head to your usual podcast provider and type in "TOAST Podcast", there you can listen to our first series celebrating the creative practice, our second series following the unknown path and our third series on women pioneers, in collaboration with the National Portrait Gallery . By subscribing to our podcasts, you will be notified each time we launch a new episode.

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